Do I hate Harold Ford? What's a liberal? populist? progressive?

What's a liberal, what's a progressive, what's a populist? I'm not always sure. But, some concerns about Democratic candidate for Senate (TN), Rep. Harold Fold, Jr., has me thinking about that.

From the Salon.com article, "How Would Jesus Vote?"

On the [senatorial] campaign trail, [Democratic Rep. Harold Ford] portrays himself as a moderate, saying he opposes the politics of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, endorses the House Republican immigration plan, and supports a state ban on gay marriage. To prove his point, Ford's get-out-the-vote rallies often double as prayer meetings. During a recent debate with his Republican opponent, former Chattanooga Mayor Bob Corker, Ford repeatedly asked state residents to give him their prayers along with their votes. On his Web site, under the banner "My Faith Is My Guide," Ford writes that he is running for Senate "to put my faith and beliefs into action."

In light of only the Salon.com article there is no difference between Ford's stated policy positions and those of most members of the Religious Right.

(My guess is that their would be differences on some economic issues, however.) What is more, Ford's "Gee, aw shucks," down-home style is nearly as practiced as George W. Bush's. Get this:

"[John] Kerry and I are very different people," Ford said, as he hurried toward the gates of Neyland Stadium, having arrived at the game against the University of Alabama deep into the second quarter. "I serve a big God, he gives me strength every day, and I go to work. I am not that smart. I don't try to outsmart him. I just go to work every day."

Ain't that sweet?

The differences between Ford and his Republican opponent are very real, I'm sure; but, aren't they primarily differences grounded in the practicalities of Democratic Party workings, in the differences between Ford, who would have to work with more progressive fellow Democrats, and his opponent who would work with the leadership of what has been one of the worst Congresses in American history; in the differences between Ford, who would count towards a Democratic majority in the Senate, and his opponent, who would count towards the now threatened Republican near-hegemony in U.S. government.

Again . . . those differences do matter. Greatly. But so do the differences between rationalism and religiosity, between a respect for the advancement of civil rights and folksy homophobia.

Do I hope Ford wins? Yes. Do I like what he has to say according to the Salon.com article? Mostly I don't . . . I merely like the negative consequences the GOP is apparently suffering locally as a <u>result</u> of what he says. (I'm being upfront here that I'm not aware of Ford's positions beyond this single Salon.com article!)

Regular readers of my own wee blog will know that I was far in the front of the call for new Democratic candidates who would use visionary and specifically biblical language--even evangelical rhetorical "hooks" (after all, Bush has done so successfully for 6 years, though the act seems to be wearing thin)...but in the service of an unapologetically progressive vision. (And--what is more--I was quick to bemoan the false or at least false-sounding attempts to do so by politicians, like Sen. John Kerry, who would be better off being honest to what I think is their basically secular convictions.) However, I have never wanted visionary and specifically biblical language used by Dems to support policies <u>in concert with</u> significant multiple parts of the Religious Right's own agenda. Yet, that's arguably what Ford is doing.

So, the partisan in me is pleased by Ford's strength in the polls. The liberal and rationalist in me is slightly worried: is Ford a sign of things to come, a harbinger of a fight within the Democratic Party between populist Democrats--who I tend to think of as Democrats who are effectively anti-intellectual and substantially conservative on social issues and select economic issues--and liberal Democrats, who, as I see them, are more apt to be secular and, in terms of policy, innovative.

Can one be a liberal and populist? I think so. I'm not sure. (What would he or she be? A version of a Southern- or Midwestern-born Sam Harris with NASCAR metaphors? A US-coal mining-town-born Richard Dawkins...obviously without the English accent?)

Either kind of the two (of many types?) of Democrats I've defined--"populist" and "liberal"--is more likely to save Social Security, demand that government not turn its back to the poor, or follow a more prudent foreign policy than today's Republicans! 

But over issues like gay marriage or even science education (e.g., the battle between Creationism myth fans and those supporting the teaching of the scientific method), might not Democrats soon come to internecine rhetorical blows if too much thinking like Ford's is unchallenged--not rejected, but tolerantly confronted--by fellow Dems under our truly and thankfully big tent. Will there at least be discussion? I hope so, and I hope it will be in the spirit of mutual support, for in neither victory nor defeat can Democrats afford to tear each other down. Conversely, no party can afford to have internal discussions and genuine disagreements stifled.

I think so. I'm cautiously optimistic.

I hope Ford wins. But I also hope that he comes to see some things differently, and perhaps comes to support--even if but incrementally--bolder, braver positions, and even to articulate them as he is apparently well-suited to do to his particular constituents--be they his constituents as a Representative or--let it be so--as a Senator.

(Any comments regarding what readers think are the differences or similarities between "progressives," "liberals," and "populists" would be greatly appreciated!)



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Re: Do I hate Harold Ford? What's a liberal? popul (3.00 / 2)

A populist believes that power derives from the people. A populist believes in reigning in corporate power to the benefit of the comman man.

A liberal believes ful civil liberties and using government means to change society and moving away from rigid social structures.

A progressive believes in creating a better life for all people all over the world. A progressive believes in constant work towards a social democratic world that strives for sustainability and a decent life for all humans.

I do not agree with your characterization of a populist. I think that is ONE characterization of it. What you describe is more playing to steortypes and low-info voters and the mob-rule element in a Democracy. That's not really populism, if you look at the people that have actually been part of populist movements in history. I think a lot of the bad connotation of populism got labeled by elites who felt threatened by potential uprisings by the lower classes of society.

Harold Ford is no populist. He is a conservative. Much in the vein of former conservative democrats like Sam Nunn and Chuck Robb. If you want to look at a populist, look at Sherrod Brown and Bernie Sanders. People who are suspicious of power concentrations and who believe that power should derive from the bottom up, not the top down.

So, if we change your label of Ford from a populist to a conservative Democrat, then let's look at your last worry. Namely, new fights between liberal Democrats and consevative Democrats (actually let's change liberal to progressive). I do not fear a fight between progressive and conservative Democrats because that fight was waged for 36 years from 1932-1968 and during that time we passed some of the most progressive legislation in the history of this country. I will take that fight and that tension any day of the current Republican hegemony.


by adamterando on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 06:48:06 PM EST

don't lump Chuck Robb in with those guys (none / 0)

Robb was a progressive in the field of gay rights -- he supported Clinton's desire to lift the ban on gays in the military, and he was one of 14 Senators to vote against DOMA.

if Ford wins, that means one more Democrat in the Senate, but if he doesn't, well, I'm not going to shed any tears. I realize it's Tennessee, and we're not going to get a progressive there, but still, it pisses me off to see him acting like a Republican.


by johnny longtorso on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 06:59:32 PM EST
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Re: don't lump Chuck Robb in with those guys (none / 0)

Actually, if Ford wins it will mean just a different Republican in the Senate. He loves Bush personally and will vote with him more than some real Republicans will.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 07:07:39 PM EST
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What a load of crock (none / 0)

You guys are full of it. Since when do the aims of christianity, and throwing out evil men who invade countries and kill off 655,000 innocent people diverge? Pope Clement? King Philip the fair? Give me a break.

A young, black democrat with a mind of his own that doesn't give a darn about gay marriage is a young, black democrat with a mind of his own that will caucus with the democrats and - he will not have to worry one bit about gay marriage because the issue will not come up.

This whole progressive thing is just plain dumb. Its just another buzz word. Want a buzzword. How about the internet changing politics. The Party of the Internet.

"I don't belong to any organized political party. I'm a democrat" - Will Rogers.

Geez.


.. and when I win the lottery, gonna donate half my money to the city so they have to name a school or a park after me - camper van beethoven
by heyAnita on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 10:14:35 PM EST
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Re: What a load of crock (none / 0)

well, I do give a damn about gay marriage, and I don't like it when the party that ostensibly is the party of civil rights is being represented by conservatives like Harold Ford, who take every opportunity to show their "independence" by trashing fellow Democrats and supporting discriminatory ballot initiatives.


by johnny longtorso on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 11:12:51 PM EST
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Re: What a load of crock (none / 0)

Apparently, anyone with a "D" after the name is good enough for some people.


If it talks like a Zell and votes like a Zell, it must be a Zell.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 12:32:18 AM EST
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Do I hate Harold Ford? (none / 0)

Thanks for the feedback on both Ford and on the definitions of terms!!!

I cross-posted on dkos, and there's some interesting comments there, too (also interesting what a small % of the comments are dedicated to trying to take a stab at defining those terms!)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/26 /18041/998

(Hope it's not bad form to link to another discussion on a another site--i.e., to maybe drive traffic away from from MyDD (that's not my ultimate intention--it's just to have discussion!) but, I assume that whether it's dKos or MyDD, we're all in this together...it's all one be "Netroots structure." (grin))


Isebrand.com and Religious Right Watch
by IseFire on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 07:28:55 PM EST

Re: Do I hate Harold Ford? (none / 0)

[Got an error message. Can't tell if comment posted]

Thanks for the feedback on both Ford and on the definitions of terms!!!

I cross-posted on dkos, and there's some interesting comments there, too (also interesting what a small % of the comments are dedicated to trying to take a stab at defining those terms!)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/26 /18041/998

(Hope it's not bad form to link to another discussion on a another site--i.e., to maybe drive traffic away from from MyDD (that's not my ultimate intention--it's just to have discussion!) but, I assume that whether it's dKos or MyDD, we're all in this together...it's all one be "Netroots structure." (grin))


Isebrand.com and Religious Right Watch
by IseFire on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 07:30:04 PM EST
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Stifling discussion (none / 0)

Hows this for stifling discussion? How about turning my husband's account back on at Mydd. He's shoulder surfing me all the time.

Seriously though I am a bit disappointed that the thread here is how Ford is supposed to be a republican because Ford is a christian.

I am sure, you really don't believe in that junk you chew.


.. and when I win the lottery, gonna donate half my money to the city so they have to name a school or a park after me - camper van beethoven
by heyAnita on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 10:19:09 PM EST

Re: Stifling discussion (none / 0)

It has nothing to do with Ford being a Christian. It has everything to do with him being a conservative (or feining being a conservative to help his political career in a conservative state).


by adamterando on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 11:10:10 PM EST
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By the way .. Has anyone asked Al Gore (none / 0)

As anyone asked Al Gore what he thinks of Ford? I think this is one ford that isn't goign to post a quarterly loss!


.. and when I win the lottery, gonna donate half my money to the city so they have to name a school or a park after me - camper van beethoven
by heyAnita on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 10:49:02 PM EST

The only good Ford win does is (none / 0)

to help us to control the Senate.


Gandhi - "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
by HCLiberal on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 12:53:09 AM EST

Re: The only good Ford win does is (none / 0)

I agree--but that one thing is VERY damned important!


by paul minot on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 08:27:46 AM EST
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Re: The only good Ford win does is (none / 0)

Agreed


Gandhi - "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
by HCLiberal on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 07:08:30 PM EST
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Re: Do I hate Harold Ford? What's a liberal? popul (none / 0)

A progressive is a liberal ashamed of being one though sometimes he isn't one.  A populist is a liberal who is not ashamed.

Best,  Terry


by terryhallinan on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 01:03:34 AM EST

Re: Do I hate Harold Ford? What's a liberal? popul (none / 0)

Bonus Definitions:

Republican - Plutocrat
Democrat - Bastard conservative ashamed and fearful of its liberal father and promiscuous mother.
Libertarian - Elitist pretending to be a liberal.
Green - Anti-environmentalist
Connecticut For Lieberman - Narcissist

Best,  Terry


by terryhallinan on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 01:17:19 AM EST


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